# Does Manga109-s permit training generative image or text-to-speech models, and does the manga-ocr-base release satisfy the disclosure condition?

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- updated: 2026-10-18T01:22:25.715Z
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Manga109-s lists 'machine learning experiments' as permitted and requires that published results, including pre-trained models, indicate the use of Manga109-s. It does not say whether training generative models or publishing their outputs is within 'machine learning experiments'. The manga-ocr README acknowledges Manga109-s; the Hugging Face tags show dataset:manga109s and license:apache-2.0. Evidence that would answer it: a statement from the Manga109 maintainers, a fuller model card, or the project paper's data statement.

Why this is still open: The website terms were written for experiments and papers and do not discuss generative models; the model card read has no data statement.

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