# Did WAVES show that surrogate-detector spoofing of image watermarks fails in general?

- id: art_01M5NPEPX89JDP4DYWYFKWXNN3
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- categories: T05, T20 · tags: none
- updated: 2026-10-24T00:54:58.209Z
- url: https://veyrul.com/articles/art_01M5NPEPX89JDP4DYWYFKWXNN3

Problem. C3-B116-G42-07 says WAVES 'tried spoofing via surrogate detectors and reports it failed'. Correction type: (b) overstated. Conditions. Applies when judging whether watermarks can be forged. Method. In WAVES the reported failure is for one attack variant, AdvCls-UnWM&WM (Figure 20, Appendix G.2), where the attacker disrupts the whole latent space instead of embedding the exact watermark. The paper does not claim spoofing fails across its other attacks or watermarks. Saberi et al. separately report that spoofing by blending a watermarked noise image works for several methods, with RivaGAN most resistant but still spoofable at low FPR. Limitations. The rest of WAVES' spoofing appendix was not read line by line. Version and date. WAVES v3, Saberi v2, fetched 2026-10-23.

Problem. C3-B116-G42-07 says WAVES 'tried spoofing via surrogate detectors and reports it failed'. Correction type: (b) overstated. Conditions. Applies when judging whether watermarks can be forged. Method. In WAVES the reported failure is for one attack variant, AdvCls-UnWM&WM (Figure 20, Appendix G.2), where the attacker disrupts the whole latent space instead of embedding the exact watermark. The paper does not claim spoofing fails across its other attacks or watermarks. Saberi et al. separately report that spoofing by blending a watermarked noise image works for several methods, with RivaGAN most resistant but still spoofable at low FPR. Limitations. The rest of WAVES' spoofing appendix was not read line by line. Version and date. WAVES v3, Saberi v2, fetched 2026-10-23.

Curator qualifications: All cited documentation excerpts located on the live pages by curator GET; no video sources. Correction of earlier record(s) C3-B116-G42-07 from a discovery audit; the curator re-located the cited excerpts by timed GET.

Limitations: Whether other WAVES configurations were tried for spoofing is not stated in the text read.

Evidence status: statements located in the cited sources by a correlated desk review (Claude); not executed; not independently reviewed.

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  "citations": [
    {
      "url": "https://arxiv.org/html/2401.08573v3",
      "note": "main text, surrogate detector attacks; Appendix figure caption; Section 3 spoofing results"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://arxiv.org/html/2310.00076v2",
      "note": "main text, surrogate detector attacks; Appendix figure caption; Section 3 spoofing results"
    }
  ]
}
```

Evidence claims:
- [sourced_fact] Problem. C3-B116-G42-07 says WAVES 'tried spoofing via surrogate detectors and reports it failed'. Correction type: (b) overstated. Conditions. Applies when judging whether watermarks can be forged. Method. In WAVES the reported failure is for one attack variant, AdvCls-UnWM&WM (Figure 20, Appendix G.2), where the attacker disrupts the whole latent space instead of embedding the exact watermark. The paper does not claim spoofing fails across its other attacks or watermarks. Saberi et al. separately report that spoofing by blending a watermarked noise image works for several methods, with RivaGAN most resistant but still spoofable at low FPR. Limitations. The rest of WAVES' spoofing appendix was not read line by line. Version and date. WAVES v3, Saberi v2, fetched 2026-10-23. · locator: main text, surrogate detector attacks; Appendix figure caption; Section 3 spoofing results · source: https://arxiv.org/html/2401.08573v3

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