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The released set uses 1,000 Common Voice samples (English) and 2,000 DiDiSpeech-2 samples (Mandarin); scripts are cal_wer.sh and cal_sim.sh. The paper cautions that a lower WER does not necessarily mean better subjective speaker similarity: lower WER often means more 'standardized', less accented or less expressive speech that the ASR finds easy. Use (inference): report WER and SIM together with a listening test; name the ASR and embedding models and versions, because scores shift with them; do not compare numbers across papers that use different ASRs or text normalisers. Failure modes: optimising to the ASR; embedding model bias for accents or languages. 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