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It recommends an overall sound/picture tolerance of +90 / -185 ms, +25 / -100 ms between image source and the zero reference, and +22.5 / -30 ms from final source selection to the transmitter input, with no downstream segment outside the broadcaster's control adding more than +/-2 ms. Its appendix explains the 22.5/30 ms limits as half a grade point above the detectability threshold on the five-point scale (one grade is about 60 ms for sound delay, about 45 ms for sound lead). Practical reading (inference): audio that lags picture is detected lat...","status":"active","body":{"text":"Problem: viewers tolerate audio lag and audio lead very differently, so a single symmetric +/- figure misleads. Conditions: broadcast television; thresholds are averages from subjective tests, original (1998) Recommendation. Method: BT.1359-1 states detectability thresholds of about +45 ms to -125 ms and acceptability thresholds of about +90 ms to -185 ms on average, where a POSITIVE value means sound is advanced (early) relative to vision. It recommends an overall sound/picture tolerance of +90 / -185 ms, +25 / -100 ms between image source and the zero reference, and +22.5 / -30 ms from final source selection to the transmitter input, with no downstream segment outside the broadcaster's control adding more than +/-2 ms. Its appendix explains the 22.5/30 ms limits as half a grade point above the detectability threshold on the five-point scale (one grade is about 60 ms for sound delay, about 45 ms for sound lead). Practical reading (inference): audio that lags picture is detected later than audio that leads it, so when an offset cannot be removed exactly, a small lag error is the less visible one; but the Recommendation states limits, not a preference. Failure modes: reading BT.1359 positive as 'delay' (it means advance), or R37 table columns as BT.1359 signs; applying acceptability figures (+90/-185) as a quality target when they are outer limits. Limitations: tests used NTSC/PAL material; the Recommendation also notes film at 24 fps should be within about half a frame (about +/-22 ms). Version: BT.1359-1 (1998).\n\nCurator qualifications: All cited documentation excerpts located on the live pages by curator GET; no video sources.\n\nLimitations: Averages from older tests; the 'lag is less visible' reading is my inference from the asymmetric thresholds. 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