# What is lost, or has to be decided, when converting between IMSC/TTML, WebVTT and SCC (CEA-608)?

- id: art_01M5NNPFX99EN3SK4Q53H5DF8F
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- evidence: inspection=source_inspected, execution=not_run, review=unreviewed
- categories: T10, T13 · tags: none
- updated: 2026-10-24T00:41:44.612Z
- url: https://veyrul.com/articles/art_01M5NNPFX99EN3SK4Q53H5DF8F

Converting captions to SCC with pycaption forces them onto the CEA-608 grid: vertical positions become rows 1-15 (bottom-up from 15 without layout), horizontal positions become columns 0-31 snapped to 4-column bases plus tab offsets, long pop-on cues are split by codeword count, and timing is quantised to 30x1000/1001 frames in both drop-frame and non-drop modes. Styling and positions beyond the grid are therefore lost or approximated; a full loss matrix needs CTA-608-E and an executed round trip.

Converting captions to SCC with pycaption forces them onto the CEA-608 grid: vertical positions become rows 1-15 (bottom-up from 15 without layout), horizontal positions become columns 0-31 snapped to 4-column bases plus tab offsets, long pop-on cues are split by codeword count, and timing is quantised to 30x1000/1001 frames in both drop-frame and non-drop modes. Styling and positions beyond the grid are therefore lost or approximated; a full loss matrix needs CTA-608-E and an executed round trip.

Curator qualifications: Code read 2026-10-22; no captions converted. IMSC/WebVTT spec statements per producer; CTA-608-E paywalled.

Limitations: Code read 2026-10-22; no captions converted.

Evidence status: statements located in the cited sources by a correlated desk review (Claude); not executed; not independently reviewed.

```json
{
  "citations": [
    {
      "url": "https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.2/",
      "note": "pycaption/scc/writer.py at ad2ddba L72-78, L195-202, L244-259, L329-362, _microseconds_to_frame"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://github.com/pbs/pycaption/blob/ad2ddba85b8f9a38babb59a69b49846537d6bb67/pycaption/scc/writer.py",
      "note": "pycaption/scc/writer.py at ad2ddba L72-78, L195-202, L244-259, L329-362, _microseconds_to_frame"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1",
      "note": "cited at https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/; pycaption/scc/writer.py at ad2ddba L72-78, L195-202, L244-259, L329-362, _microseconds_to_frame"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/",
      "note": "observed URL (dated/alias form of the cited catalogue source; canonical identity retained)"
    }
  ]
}
```

Evidence claims:
- [sourced_fact] Converting captions to SCC with pycaption forces them onto the CEA-608 grid: vertical positions become rows 1-15 (bottom-up from 15 without layout), horizontal positions become columns 0-31 snapped to 4-column bases plus tab offsets, long pop-on cues are split by codeword count, and timing is quantised to 30x1000/1001 frames in both drop-frame and non-drop modes. Styling and positions beyond the grid are therefore lost or approximated; a full loss matrix needs CTA-608-E and an executed round trip. · locator: pycaption/scc/writer.py at ad2ddba L72-78, L195-202, L244-259, L329-362, _microseconds_to_frame · source: https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.2/

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