{"schema":"record/v1","id":"art_01M5NNB6JKSJPS82ARJPTKB1W7","type":"article","revision":1,"etag":"\"r1.s0\"","title":"Seedance multi-shot practice from a heavy user: timeline prompts as shot lists, explicit rules for failure points, at most ~3 characters, draft at 480/720p, and edit across several generations","summary":"Creator-reported: statements attributed to the creator(s) come from discovery's reading of auto-caption transcript excerpts; the curator checked the video metadata (title, date, length) and any cited documentation pages, not the spoken claims. Nothing was tested; promotional or sponsored framing applies where stated. Dankieft (Daan) on Seedance 2.0/2.5 via Higgsfield. Timeline prompting (R1): a scene header (subject, wardrobe, environment, mood, music, colour logic, style) followed by time-stamped shots works as a shot list - one 15 s generation can return ~10 shots, but over-detailed beats get skipped or rushed, so cut detail per beat; he drafts the prompt with an LLM using a reusable instruction file, then edits it (\"Don't trust AI blindly\"). When a detail fails twice, add an explicit rule (e.g. which card is chosen and who returns it) plus a negative prompt; add a \"logic\"/one-continuous-take instruction or the model invents camera cuts. Glitches rise above about three characters ...","status":"active","body":{"text":"Creator-reported: statements attributed to the creator(s) come from discovery's reading of auto-caption transcript excerpts; the curator checked the video metadata (title, date, length) and any cited documentation pages, not the spoken claims. Nothing was tested; promotional or sponsored framing applies where stated.\n\nDankieft (Daan) on Seedance 2.0/2.5 via Higgsfield. Timeline prompting (R1): a scene header (subject, wardrobe, environment, mood, music, colour logic, style) followed by time-stamped shots works as a shot list - one 15 s generation can return ~10 shots, but over-detailed beats get skipped or rushed, so cut detail per beat; he drafts the prompt with an LLM using a reusable instruction file, then edits it (\"Don't trust AI blindly\"). When a detail fails twice, add an explicit rule (e.g. which card is chosen and who returns it) plus a negative prompt; add a \"logic\"/one-continuous-take instruction or the model invents camera cuts. Glitches rise above about three characters in one prompt. On-screen text in generated video stays poor even when the reference image text is clean. Coverage trick: generate a scene several times and cut the best shots together. Credits: draft at 480p/720p when unsure, 1080p only for confident prompts; 480p does not upscale well later (R3). Animation (R3): start every project with a character sheet (he prefers GPT Image 2 to Nano Banana for sheets), then three workflows - image-to-video with the sheet tagged, \"elements\" references to mix 3D characters with live people, and a six-panel storyboard image fed as reference; prompt pattern style + action + camera; video extend by re-uploading the clip as reference. Seedance 2.5 (R4): extend for continuity, generation up to 30 s per his account; keep voices consistent by cutting each character's lines from the first good generation and reusing them as audio references; finger count still fails.\n\nCurator qualifications: Creator-reported: statements attributed to the creator(s) come from discovery's reading of auto-caption transcript excerpts; the curator checked the video metadata (title, date, length) and any cited documentation pages, not the spoken claims. Nothing was tested; promotional or sponsored framing applies where stated. All cited documentation excerpts located on the live pages by curator GET; video metadata checked where cited. Creator video (auto-caption transcript excerpts read by discovery); not curator-verified beyond video metadata.\n\nLimitations: Creator statements were read by discovery from auto-captions (ASR); not re-verified by the curator. Affiliate content (Higgsfield referral links; prompts gated in his Skool community); single-creator observations without counts; \"30 seconds\" max for Seedance 2.5 is his statement - check against the official API limits (C3-B436-01) and prompt guide (C3-B465-01); model names in ASR misspelled (Cedance/Cance).\n\nEvidence status: statements located in the cited sources by a correlated desk review (Claude); not executed; not independently reviewed.","citations":[{"url":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkL8mlpVScY","note":"13:27; 3:20; 18:30; 12:22"},{"url":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gQ6qUmKjHg","note":"13:27; 3:20; 18:30; 12:22"}]},"categories":["T02","T03","T06"],"tags":[],"language":"en","visibility":"public","moderation":{"state":"visible","reason":null},"evidence":{"inspection":"metadata_checked","execution":"not_run","review":"unreviewed","review_revision":null,"claims":[{"url":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkL8mlpVScY","claim":"Dankieft (Daan) on Seedance 2.0/2.5 via Higgsfield. Timeline prompting (R1): a scene header (subject, wardrobe, environment, mood, music, colour logic, style) followed by time-stamped shots works as a shot list - one 15 s generation can return ~10 shots, but over-detailed beats get skipped or rushed, so cut detail per beat; he drafts the prompt with an LLM using a reusable instruction file, then edits it (\"Don't trust AI blindly\"). When a detail fails twice, add an explicit rule (e.g. which card is chosen and who returns it) plus a negative prompt; add a \"logic\"/one-continuous-take instruction or the model invents camera cuts. Glitches rise above about three characters in one prompt. On-screen text in generated video stays poor even when the reference image text is clean. Coverage trick: generate a scene several times and cut the best shots together. Credits: draft at 480p/720p when unsure, 1080p only for confident prompts; 480p does not upscale well later (R3). Animation (R3): start every project with a character sheet (he prefers GPT Image 2 to Nano Banana for sheets), then three workflows - image-to-video with the sheet tagged, \"elements\" references to mix 3D characters with live people, and a six-panel storyboard image fed as reference; prompt pattern style + action + camera; video extend by re-uploading the clip as reference. 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Credits: draft at 480p/720p when unsure, 1080p only for confident prompts; 480p does not upscale well later (R3). Animation (R3): start every project with a character sheet (he prefers GPT Image 2 to Nano Banana for sheets), then three workflows - image-to-video with the sheet tagged, \"elements\" references to mix 3D characters with live people, and a six-panel storyboard image fed as reference; prompt pattern style + action + camera; video extend by re-uploading the clip as reference. Seedance 2.5 (R4): extend for continuity, generation up to 30 s per his account; keep voices consistent by cutting each character's lines from the first good generation and reusing them as audio references; finger count still fails.\n\nCurator qualifications: Creator-reported: statements attributed to the creator(s) come from discovery's reading of auto-caption transcript excerpts; the curator checked the video metadata (title, date, length) and any cited documentation pages, not the spoken claims. 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