# When someone objects to a poem or story, what does Poetics XXV (Butcher) say the poet may have been imitating, and which kinds of fault count against the work itself?

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In Butcher's rendering, XXV opens with two preliminary distinctions that every later answer rests on. First, the poet, like a painter, imitates one of three objects: things as they were or are, as they are said or thought to be, or as they ought to be. Second, faults inside the art are of two kinds: those that touch its essence (imitating incorrectly through want of capacity) and accidental ones (a wrong choice, such as a horse's legs or medical details from another art). The text calls these the points of view for answering critics; it states no thresholds, and the passage reads as a first triage before the specific objection types.

In Butcher's rendering, XXV opens with two preliminary distinctions that every later answer rests on. First, the poet, like a painter, imitates one of three objects: things as they were or are, as they are said or thought to be, or as they ought to be. Second, faults inside the art are of two kinds: those that touch its essence (imitating incorrectly through want of capacity) and accidental ones (a wrong choice, such as a horse's legs or medical details from another art). The text calls these the points of view for answering critics; it states no thresholds, and the passage reads as a first triage before the specific objection types.

Curator qualifications: Three objects of imitation; essential vs accidental faults.

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- [sourced_fact] In Butcher's rendering, XXV opens with two preliminary distinctions that every later answer rests on. First, the poet, like a painter, imitates one of three objects: things as they were or are, as they are said or thought to be, or as they ought to be. Second, faults inside the art are of two kinds: those that touch its essence (imitating incorrectly through want of capacity) and accidental ones (a wrong choice, such as a horse's legs or medical details from another art). The text calls these the points of view for answering critics; it states no thresholds, and the passage reads as a first triage before the specific objection types. · locator: candidate evidence excerpts · source: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/1974/pg1974.txt

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