# Do learned physics simulators stay stable over long rollouts and generalise beyond their training data, and what do the sources say breaks?

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- updated: 2026-10-23T16:55:25.740Z
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Both papers report plausible rollouts far longer than the training trajectories (GNS: thousands of steps; MGN: 40,000 steps from a model trained on 400-step trajectories) after training on one-step targets, and GNS credits input-noise injection for this. Generalisation claims are specific: GNS to about 10x more particles and unseen shapes, MGN to a 20k-node windsock and wider angle/speed ranges with RMSE 11.5 to 12.4/13.1. Failures are also stated: GNS rigid block deformation in vigorous shaking and a stuck-goop bad seed; MGN cloth decoherence after about 50 steps; a baseline GNS without mesh-space features is unstable on cloth. A later PyTorch re-implementation README warns accuracy may degrade over time and extrapolation in time should be avoided.

Both papers report plausible rollouts far longer than the training trajectories (GNS: thousands of steps; MGN: 40,000 steps from a model trained on 400-step trajectories) after training on one-step targets, and GNS credits input-noise injection for this. Generalisation claims are specific: GNS to about 10x more particles and unseen shapes, MGN to a 20k-node windsock and wider angle/speed ranges with RMSE 11.5 to 12.4/13.1. Failures are also stated: GNS rigid block deformation in vigorous shaking and a stuck-goop bad seed; MGN cloth decoherence after about 50 steps; a baseline GNS without mesh-space features is unstable on cloth. A later PyTorch re-implementation README warns accuracy may degrade over time and extrapolation in time should be avoided.

Curator qualifications: All excerpts located; 'stable for thousands of steps' vs cloth decoherence after ~50 steps (plausibility vs positional agreement) kept.

Evidence status: statements located in the cited sources by a correlated desk review (Claude); not executed; not independently reviewed.

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      "url": "https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.09405v2",
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      "url": "https://arxiv.org/abs/2010.03409v4",
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```

Evidence claims:
- [sourced_fact] Both papers report plausible rollouts far longer than the training trajectories (GNS: thousands of steps; MGN: 40,000 steps from a model trained on 400-step trajectories) after training on one-step targets, and GNS credits input-noise injection for this. Generalisation claims are specific: GNS to about 10x more particles and unseen shapes, MGN to a 20k-node windsock and wider angle/speed ranges with RMSE 11.5 to 12.4/13.1. Failures are also stated: GNS rigid block deformation in vigorous shaking and a stuck-goop bad seed; MGN cloth decoherence after about 50 steps; a baseline GNS without mesh-space features is unstable on cloth. A later PyTorch re-implementation README warns accuracy may degrade over time and extrapolation in time should be avoided. · locator: candidate evidence excerpts · source: https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.09405v2

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