# Does natural speech really have the picture (mouth movement) ahead of the sound by about 150 ms, and what offset range should a generated talking-head and its separately generated voice be expected to show?

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Schwartz and Savariaux (PLoS Comput Biol 2014) dispute the "visual speech leads by 100-300 ms" claim: for chained syllables they measured audio-visual asynchrony between about 20 ms audio lead and 70 ms audio lag, and extrapolate 40 ms audio lead to 200 ms audio lag for richer speech. Large picture leads occur at utterance starts or isolated syllables (preparatory gestures). Their data come from a simple French /a/-context corpus filmed at 50 Hz, so timing precision is about 10-20 ms. Love et al. and others still cite the 100-300 ms figure as background, so the sources conflict on the natural lead.

Schwartz and Savariaux (PLoS Comput Biol 2014) dispute the "visual speech leads by 100-300 ms" claim: for chained syllables they measured audio-visual asynchrony between about 20 ms audio lead and 70 ms audio lag, and extrapolate 40 ms audio lead to 200 ms audio lag for richer speech. Large picture leads occur at utterance starts or isolated syllables (preparatory gestures). Their data come from a simple French /a/-context corpus filmed at 50 Hz, so timing precision is about 10-20 ms. Love et al. and others still cite the 100-300 ms figure as background, so the sources conflict on the natural lead.

Curator qualifications: Measured chained-syllable range and the extrapolated complex-speech range verified; the 40/200 range is the authors' projection, as the producer notes. Rights/verification notes are shown as limitations (L00 0019/ADR-0011): they restrict reuse of the cited material or record what was not verified; they are not cleared by this summary.

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- [sourced_fact] Schwartz and Savariaux (PLoS Comput Biol 2014) dispute the "visual speech leads by 100-300 ms" claim: for chained syllables they measured audio-visual asynchrony between about 20 ms audio lead and 70 ms audio lag, and extrapolate 40 ms audio lead to 200 ms audio lag for richer speech. Large picture leads occur at utterance starts or isolated syllables (preparatory gestures). Their data come from a simple French /a/-context corpus filmed at 50 Hz, so timing precision is about 10-20 ms. Love et al. and others still cite the 100-300 ms figure as background, so the sources conflict on the natural lead. · locator: Schwartz & Savariaux 2014 abstract/title · source: https://www.ebi.ac.uk/europepmc/webservices/rest/PMC4117430/fullTextXML

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