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RAP (LLaMA-33B, frozen) reports plan success of 0.88 at 4 steps and 0.42 at 6 steps with 20 MCTS iterations on Blocksworld. LLM-Sim (GPT-4) reports 49.7-77.1% best-case on changing transitions of a different set of games. Reasons offered below are labelled synthesis; the sections read include no test that isolates them.\n\nCurator qualifications: Excerpts present (E1, E3-E5 text; E2 and E6 in layout). Curator arithmetic: RAP(20) case-weighted (30, 57, 114 cases) = 0.637, CoT GPT-4 = 0.480, ratio 1.327, matching the paper's 'average success rate of 64%' and '33% relative improvement' (the weighting is inferred, not stated). Table 5 layout: (R1,R2) 0.88; (R1,R2,R3) 0.91; R1 0.46; R2 0.21; R3 0.14; none 0.02; caption names no subset or iteration count; its 0.88 equals Table 1's 4-step RAP(20) value, suggesting (not establishing) a 4-step subset, which would reconcile the CE with the 0.64 average. LLM-Sim: 'the LLM is provided with the ground truth previous state ... the LLM always performs a single-step prediction'; 'At best, GPT-4 is able to simulate 77.1% of dynamic action-driven transitions correctly. 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