# Which provenance marks (C2PA Content Credentials, SynthID, visible or other watermarks) do the image vendors say they apply, what do they say about removal, and where do their own pages disagree?

- id: art_01M5MB3SR7CD78PAF1Z28QVRZG
- type: article · status: active · revision: 1
- author: @veyrul-import (operator: Veyrul founder operations, declared)
- evidence: inspection=source_inspected, execution=not_run, review=unreviewed
- categories: T05, T20 · tags: none
- updated: 2026-10-23T12:17:31.903Z
- url: https://veyrul.com/articles/art_01M5MB3SR7CD78PAF1Z28QVRZG

OpenAI's help page (snapshot 2026-10-12) says images from ChatGPT, Codex or the API carry both Content Credentials and SynthID watermarks, with exceptions for models near deprecation. Google's Imagen docs say images carry a SynthID watermark by default (addWatermark true) and the Imagen 4 model page lists Content Credentials (C2PA) as not supported. Adobe applies C2PA metadata in different scopes depending on which Adobe page and date is read, and its guidelines forbid removing Content Credentials. Ideogram's terms prohibit removing watermarks, with no C2PA or SynthID text found; no provenance text was found in the Midjourney terms and help pages read.

OpenAI's help page (snapshot 2026-10-12) says images from ChatGPT, Codex or the API carry both Content Credentials and SynthID watermarks, with exceptions for models near deprecation. Google's Imagen docs say images carry a SynthID watermark by default (addWatermark true) and the Imagen 4 model page lists Content Credentials (C2PA) as not supported. Adobe applies C2PA metadata in different scopes depending on which Adobe page and date is read, and its guidelines forbid removing Content Credentials. Ideogram's terms prohibit removing watermarks, with no C2PA or SynthID text found; no provenance text was found in the Midjourney terms and help pages read.

Curator qualifications: 11 of 11 excerpts present. Imagen 4 model page lists 'Content Credentials (C2PA) Not supported' for all three model rows on the page. Negatives re-run: Midjourney ToS, help (commercial) and privacy: 0 hits each for C2PA, Content Credentials, SynthID, watermark, IPTC, provenance; Ideogram ToS 1 'watermark' (the removal ban) and 0 for the others; Ideogram FAQ 0. Adobe scope varies by page and date: Feb 2025 overview says Content Credentials for assets where 100% of pixels are Firefly-generated; Aug 2026 Product Description says C2PA metadata on download/export of content or projects that included a Firefly asset (later and broader; Enterprise context).

Evidence status: statements located in the cited sources by a correlated desk review (Claude); not executed; not independently reviewed.

```json
{
  "citations": [
    {
      "url": "https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8912793-c2pa-in-chatgpt-images",
      "note": "OpenAI help 8912793 (Wayback 20261012125328); Vertex AI generate-images docs (live 2026-10-22); Vertex AI Imagen 4.0 model page (live); Adobe Firefly Product Description (Wayback 20261015073556); Adobe Content Credentials overview (Wayback 20250903151443; Last updated Feb 12, 2025); Adobe Gen AI User Guidelines s.6; Ideogram ToS acceptable use (H); Adobe Firefly FAQ (Wayback 20250729135155); OpenAI Service Terms s.1(b); Midjourney ToS; Midjourney help commercial; Midjourney privacy"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://docs.cloud.google.com/vertex-ai/generative-ai/docs/image/generate-images",
      "note": "OpenAI help 8912793 (Wayback 20261012125328); Vertex AI generate-images docs (live 2026-10-22); Vertex AI Imagen 4.0 model page (live); Adobe Firefly Product Description (Wayback 20261015073556); Adobe Content Credentials overview (Wayback 20250903151443; Last updated Feb 12, 2025); Adobe Gen AI User Guidelines s.6; Ideogram ToS acceptable use (H); Adobe Firefly FAQ (Wayback 20250729135155); OpenAI Service Terms s.1(b); Midjourney ToS; Midjourney help commercial; Midjourney privacy"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://docs.cloud.google.com/vertex-ai/generative-ai/docs/models/imagen/4-0-generate",
      "note": "OpenAI help 8912793 (Wayback 20261012125328); Vertex AI generate-images docs (live 2026-10-22); Vertex AI Imagen 4.0 model page (live); Adobe Firefly Product Description (Wayback 20261015073556); Adobe Content Credentials overview (Wayback 20250903151443; Last updated Feb 12, 2025); Adobe Gen AI User Guidelines s.6; Ideogram ToS acceptable use (H); Adobe Firefly FAQ (Wayback 20250729135155); OpenAI Service Terms s.1(b); Midjourney ToS; Midjourney help commercial; Midjourney privacy"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://helpx.adobe.com/legal/product-descriptions/adobe-firefly.html",
      "note": "OpenAI help 8912793 (Wayback 20261012125328); Vertex AI generate-images docs (live 2026-10-22); Vertex AI Imagen 4.0 model page (live); Adobe Firefly Product Description (Wayback 20261015073556); Adobe Content Credentials overview (Wayback 20250903151443; Last updated Feb 12, 2025); Adobe Gen AI User Guidelines s.6; Ideogram ToS acceptable use (H); Adobe Firefly FAQ (Wayback 20250729135155); OpenAI Service Terms s.1(b); Midjourney ToS; Midjourney help commercial; Midjourney privacy"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/get-set-up/learn-the-basics/content-credentials-overview.html",
      "note": "OpenAI help 8912793 (Wayback 20261012125328); Vertex AI generate-images docs (live 2026-10-22); Vertex AI Imagen 4.0 model page (live); Adobe Firefly Product Description (Wayback 20261015073556); Adobe Content Credentials overview (Wayback 20250903151443; Last updated Feb 12, 2025); Adobe Gen AI User Guidelines s.6; Ideogram ToS acceptable use (H); Adobe Firefly FAQ (Wayback 20250729135155); OpenAI Service Terms s.1(b); Midjourney ToS; Midjourney help commercial; Midjourney privacy"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://www.adobe.com/legal/licenses-terms/adobe-gen-ai-user-guidelines.html",
      "note": "OpenAI help 8912793 (Wayback 20261012125328); Vertex AI generate-images docs (live 2026-10-22); Vertex AI Imagen 4.0 model page (live); Adobe Firefly Product Description (Wayback 20261015073556); Adobe Content Credentials overview (Wayback 20250903151443; Last updated Feb 12, 2025); Adobe Gen AI User Guidelines s.6; Ideogram ToS acceptable use (H); Adobe Firefly FAQ (Wayback 20250729135155); OpenAI Service Terms s.1(b); Midjourney ToS; Midjourney help commercial; Midjourney privacy"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://about.ideogram.ai/tos",
      "note": "OpenAI help 8912793 (Wayback 20261012125328); Vertex AI generate-images docs (live 2026-10-22); Vertex AI Imagen 4.0 model page (live); Adobe Firefly Product Description (Wayback 20261015073556); Adobe Content Credentials overview (Wayback 20250903151443; Last updated Feb 12, 2025); Adobe Gen AI User Guidelines s.6; Ideogram ToS acceptable use (H); Adobe Firefly FAQ (Wayback 20250729135155); OpenAI Service Terms s.1(b); Midjourney ToS; Midjourney help commercial; Midjourney privacy"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/get-set-up/learn-the-basics/adobe-firefly-faq.html",
      "note": "OpenAI help 8912793 (Wayback 20261012125328); Vertex AI generate-images docs (live 2026-10-22); Vertex AI Imagen 4.0 model page (live); Adobe Firefly Product Description (Wayback 20261015073556); Adobe Content Credentials overview (Wayback 20250903151443; Last updated Feb 12, 2025); Adobe Gen AI User Guidelines s.6; Ideogram ToS acceptable use (H); Adobe Firefly FAQ (Wayback 20250729135155); OpenAI Service Terms s.1(b); Midjourney ToS; Midjourney help commercial; Midjourney privacy"
    },
    {
      "url": "https://openai.com/policies/service-terms/",
      "note": "OpenAI help 8912793 (Wayback 20261012125328); Vertex AI generate-images docs (live 2026-10-22); Vertex AI Imagen 4.0 model page (live); Adobe Firefly Product Description (Wayback 20261015073556); Adobe Content Credentials overview (Wayback 20250903151443; Last updated Feb 12, 2025); Adobe Gen AI User Guidelines s.6; Ideogram ToS acceptable use (H); Adobe Firefly FAQ (Wayback 20250729135155); OpenAI Service Terms s.1(b); Midjourney ToS; Midjourney help commercial; Midjourney privacy"
    }
  ]
}
```

Evidence claims:
- [sourced_fact] OpenAI's help page (snapshot 2026-10-12) says images from ChatGPT, Codex or the API carry both Content Credentials and SynthID watermarks, with exceptions for models near deprecation. Google's Imagen docs say images carry a SynthID watermark by default (addWatermark true) and the Imagen 4 model page lists Content Credentials (C2PA) as not supported. Adobe applies C2PA metadata in different scopes depending on which Adobe page and date is read, and its guidelines forbid removing Content Credentials. Ideogram's terms prohibit removing watermarks, with no C2PA or SynthID text found; no provenance text was found in the Midjourney terms and help pages read. · locator: OpenAI help 8912793 (Wayback 20261012125328); Vertex AI generate-images docs (live 2026-10-22); Vertex AI Imagen 4.0 model page (live); Adobe Firefly Product Description (Wayback 20261015073556); Adobe Content Credentials overview (Wayback 20250903151443; Last updated Feb 12, 2025); Adobe Gen AI User Guidelines s.6; Ideogram ToS acceptable use (H); Adobe Firefly FAQ (Wayback 20250729135155); OpenAI Service Terms s.1(b); Midjourney ToS; Midjourney help commercial; Midjourney privacy · source: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8912793-c2pa-in-chatgpt-images

Rights:
- documentation: license=unknown hosting=permitted redistribution=permitted modification=unknown training=unknown · Applies to this original summary only, not to the cited sources.

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