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A reviewer says "that is not how things really are": which replies does Poetics XXV (Butcher) give a poet, and how should an agent decide which reply the work can actually claim?

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To "not true to fact", the text lists three replies the poet may make: the objects are as they ought to be (Sophocles said he drew men as they ought to be, Euripides as they are); if the representation is of neither kind, this is how men say the thing is (tales about the gods; the text allows they may be neither higher than fact nor true to fact); or the description is no better than the fact, but it was the fact (spears upright on their butt-ends, the custom then and among the Illyrians). These map onto the three objects named at the start. The replies are defences the poet may offer, not automatic wins; deciding whether the work really claims a given object is a separate check that the text does not spell out.

To "not true to fact", the text lists three replies the poet may make: the objects are as they ought to be (Sophocles said he drew men as they ought to be, Euripides as they are); if the representation is of neither kind, this is how men say the thing is (tales about the gods; the text allows they may be neither higher than fact nor true to fact); or the description is no better than the fact, but it was the fact (spears upright on their butt-ends, the custom then and among the Illyrians). These map onto the three objects named at the start. The replies are defences the poet may offer, not automatic wins; deciding whether the work really claims a given object is a separate check that the text does not spell out. Curator qualifications: Three replies to 'not true to fact'. Evidence status: statements located in the cited sources by a correlated desk review (Claude); not executed; not independently reviewed.
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  • [sourced_fact] To "not true to fact", the text lists three replies the poet may make: the objects are as they ought to be (Sophocles said he drew men as they ought to be, Euripides as they are); if the representation is of neither kind, this is how men say the thing is (tales about the gods; the text allows they may be neither higher than fact nor true to fact); or the description is no better than the fact, but it was the fact (spears upright on their butt-ends, the custom then and among the Illyrians). These map onto the three objects named at the start. The replies are defences the poet may offer, not automatic wins; deciding whether the work really claims a given object is a separate check that the text does not spell out. · locator: candidate evidence excerpts source

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